ืขืœื” ื‘ื—ื›ืชื ื•: ื”ืืงืกืกื•ืจื™ ื”ืžืชื•ืง ื”ื–ื” ืžืชืคื•ืฆืฅ, ื•ื–ื” ื”ื–ืžืŸ ืœื”ืฉื™ื’ ืื—ื“

ื‘ืžืขื™ืœ ื˜ืจื ืฅ' ืขื•ืจ ืฉื—ื•ืจ ื•ืžื›ื ืกื™ื™ื ืžื—ื•ื™ื˜ื™ื ืฉืœ ื ื™ื ื” ืจื™ืฆ'ื™, ื”ืžืœื›ื” ืœื˜ื™ืกื™ื” ื ืจืื™ืช ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืžื“ื”ื™ื. ื”ืžืขื™ืœ ื”ื•ื ืœืœื ืกืคืง ื”ืขื•ื’ืŸ ืฉืœ ื”ืœื•ืง, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื ืขืœื™ื™ื ืฉืœื” ื”ื™ื• ืืœื” ืฉื›ื‘ืฉื• ืืช ืœื‘ื ื•: ืœื•ืืคืจืก ื”ืจื ื“ื™ื•ืช ืขื ืกื•ืœื™ื” ืฆ'ืื ืงื™ืช ื•ืื‘ื–ืžื™ ื–ื”ื‘ ื‘ื•ืœื˜ื™ื. ืœื ืžื” ืฉืฆื™ืคื™ื ื• ืžื”ืžืœื›ื”

ื”ืคืื–ื” ื”ืื“ื’'ื™ืช ืฉืœ ืงื™ื™ืœื™ ื’'ื ืจ ืœื’ืžืจื™ ื›ืืŸ, ื•ื”ื™ื ืžื’ื™ืขื” ืœืฉื™ืื” ื‘ื”ืคืงืช ื”ืื•ืคื ื” ื”ืžื˜ื•ืจืœืœืช ืงืœื•ืช ืฉืฆื™ืœืžื” ืœืžื’ื–ื™ืŸ Interview: ื—ืจื’ื•ืœ ืขื ืง ืžืคืœืกื˜ื™ืง ื•ื ื—ืฉ ื—ืœืงืœืง ืœื ืžืคืœืกื˜ื™ืง ื”ื ืจืง ื—ืœืง ืžื”ืื‘ื™ื–ืจื™ื ืฉืžืœื•ื•ื™ื ืื•ืชื” ืฉื, ืœืฆื“ ืœื•ืงื™ื ืฉืžืขืžื™ืกื™ื ื•ืžืขืจื‘ื‘ื™ื ืืช ื”ื˜ืจื ื“ื™ื ื”ื ื•ืขื–ื™ื ืฉืœ ื”ืจื’ืข

ื—ืฉื‘ื ื• ืฉื”ืžืกื•ืจืช ืฉืœ ื ืฉืฃ ื”ื™ืฆื™ืื” ืœื—ื‘ืจื” ื”ืคืกื™ืงื” ืื™ืคืฉื”ื• ื‘ืžืื” ื”-18, ืื‘ืœ ืžืชื‘ืจืจ ืฉื”ื™ื ื—ื™ื” ื•ื‘ื•ืขื˜ืช. ืืชืžื•ืœ ื”ืชืงื™ื™ื ืขืจื‘ ื”ื“ื‘ื™ื•ื˜ื ื˜ืก ื”ืžืคื•ืืจ ืœืฉื ืช 2023, ื•ื›ืœ ื™ื•ืจืฉื•ืช ื”ืขืฆืจ ื•ื‘ื ื•ืช ื”ื—ื‘ืจื” ื”ื’ื‘ื•ื”ื” ื ืชื ื• ืžืคื’ืŸ ืฉืœ ืื•ืคื ื” ืขื™ืœื™ืช ืžืฉื•ื‘ื—ืช ื•ืžื•ื’ื–ืžืช ื‘ืžื™ื•ื—ื“

ืฉืœื‘ื™ื” ื˜ืกื” ืœืคืจื™ื– ื•ื ื™ื• ื™ื•ืจืง ืœืขื ื™ื™ื ื™ ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื•ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืžื–ื’ ื”ืื•ื•ื™ืจ ื”ื—ื•ืจืคื™ ืฉื ื”ืœื•ืงื™ื ืฉืœื” ื”ื•ืจื›ื‘ื• ืžืคืจื™ื˜ื™ื ืžื—ืžืžื™ื ื‘ืžื™ื•ื—ื“. ื–ื” ื”ืชื—ื™ืœ ื‘ืžืขื™ืœ ืฉื—ื•ืจ, ืฆืขื™ืฃ ื’ื“ื•ืœ ื•ืžื’ืคื™ ืฉืคื™ืฅ ื•ื”ืžืฉื™ืš ื‘ืœื•ืงื™ื ื ื•ื—ื™ื ื™ื•ืชืจ ื”ืžื•ืจื›ื‘ื™ื ืžื˜ืจื ื™ื ื’ ื ืขื™ื ื•ืกื•ื•ื™ื˜ืฉืจื™ื˜ ืงืคื•ืฆ'ื•ืŸ ืžื—ืžื ื‘ืžื™ื•ื—ื“. ืœื ืžืฉื ื” ืžื” ื”ื™ื ืœื•ื‘ืฉืช, ื”ื™ื ืคืฉื•ื˜ ื”ื•ืจืกืช

ื”ื“ื•ื’ืžื ื™ืช ื•ืืฉืช ื”ืขืกืงื™ื ืžืชืžื—ื” ื‘ืฉืžื™ืจืช ื”ืื™ื–ื•ืŸ ื‘ื™ืŸ ืฉื™ืชื•ืฃ ื”ืขื•ืงื‘ื™ื ืฉืœื” ืœื‘ื™ืŸ ืฉืžื™ืจื” ืขืœ ืคืจื˜ื™ื•ืชื”, ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ืฉืžื—ื•ืช ืฉื”ื—ืœื™ื˜ื” ืœื—ืฉื•ืฃ ืืช ื”ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช ืžื”ื‘ืจื™ืช ืฉืœ ื‘ื ื” ื”ื‘ื›ื•ืจ, ืืœ-ื™ื - ื‘ืขื™ืงืจ ื›ื™ ื”ืœื•ืง ืฉื‘ื—ืจื” ืœืœื‘ื•ืฉ ืœืื™ืจื•ืข ื”ื•ื ืื—ื“ ื”ืžื“ื•ื™ืงื™ื ืฉืจืื™ื ื• ืžืžื ื”

ืœื ืžื–ืžืŸ ื”ื™ื ืกื™ื™ืžื” ืืช ืื—ื“ ืžืกื™ื‘ื•ื‘ื™ ื”ื”ื•ืคืขื•ืช ื”ืžืชื•ืงืฉืจื™ื ื‘ื”ื™ืกื˜ื•ืจื™ื”, ื•ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ื‘ื™ื•ื ืกื” ืžืชืคื ื” ืœื”ืฉื™ืง ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ ืฉืžืœื•ื•ื” ืื•ืชื•. ืฆืคื•ื™ ืฉื”ื™ื ืชืขืฉื” ื–ืืช ื‘ืœื•ืง ืฉืžืชื›ืชื‘ ื™ืฉื™ืจื•ืช ืขื ืืกืชื˜ื™ืงืช ื”ืืœื‘ื•ื, ืื‘ืœ ื‘ื›ืœ ื–ืืช ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื• ืžืฉื”ื• ื“ื™ ื—ืจื™ื’ ืฉื”ืงืคื™ืฅ ืืช ื”ื’ื•ืœืฉื™ื ื‘ื”ืžื•ื ื™ื”ื. ื•ืื™ืš ื–ื” ืงืฉื•ืจ ืœืงื™ื ืงืจื“ืฉื™ืืŸ?

ืœืื—ืจ ืฉืกืคื’ื” ืขืœื‘ื•ื ื•ืช ืขืœ ื›ืš ืฉืื™ื ื” ื“ื•ืžื” ืœืืžื” ื“ื•ื’ืžื ื™ืช ื”ืขืœ, ื•ืœื ื˜ื™ื ื” ืœื™ืžื” ื‘ืช ื”- 14 ื—ื•ื’ื’ืช ื‘ืžื” ืฉืžื›ื ื™ื ื‘ื˜ื™ืงื˜ื•ืง ืžื›ื ื™ื 'ืจื’ืข ืฉืœ ื ืงืžื”', ื•ืžื›ื›ื‘ืช ื‘ืื™ื ืกืคื•ืจ ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ื ืฉืžืจื™ืžื™ื ืœื”. "ื”ื™ื ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื™ืคื”", ื ืืžืจ ื‘ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ, ื•ืื—ืจ ืžื›ืจื™ื–: "ืงื‘ืœื• ืืช ื“ื•ืจ ื”ืœื™ืžื” ื”ื™ืคื” ื”ื‘ื"

ื”ื›ื•ื›ื‘ืช ื”ื’ื™ืขื” ืœืคืจื™ื– ื•ืฉืœืคื” ื‘ื–ื” ืื—ืจ ื–ื” ืฉื ื™ ืœื•ืงื™ื ื“ืจืžื˜ื™ื™ื ื‘ืฉื—ื•ืจ: ื”ืจืืฉื•ืŸ ื›ืœืœ ืฉืžืœืช ื‘ืœื™ื™ื–ืจ ื•ืกื ื“ืœื™ื, ื”ืฉื ื™ ืžืขื™ืœ ืคืจื•ื•ื” ื’ื“ื•ืœ ื•ื—ื โ€“ ื•ื‘ืฉื ื™ื”ื ื”ืคืฆื™ืขื• ืœื”ื•ืคืขืช ืื•ืจื— ื’ื•ื•ื ื™ื ื‘ื”ื™ืจื™ื ื•ืœื ืื•ืคื™ื™ื ื™ื™ื ื‘ืฉื™ืขืจ

ื”ืืžื ื™ืช ื•ืจื“ื” ืžื•ื ื˜ื–ืžื•ืœื• ื”ืชื—ืชื ื” ืขื ื’'ื™ืื ืคืื•ืœื• ื‘ื—ืชื•ื ื” ืื™ื˜ืœืงื™ืช ืžื”ืกืจื˜ื™ื. ื•ืจื“ื” ื‘ื—ืจื” ื‘ืฉืžืœืช ื›ืชืคื™ื•ืช ื•ืจื•ื“ื” ืขื ืขื™ื˜ื•ืจ ืคืคื™ื•ืŸ ืงื“ืžื™ ื•ืงื• ืžื•ืชืŸ ืžื–ื•ื’ื–ื’ ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืžื˜ืจื™ืคื”, ื•ืืœื™ื” ืฆื™ืจืคื” ื ืขืœื™ ืžื™ื•ืœืก ืœื‘ื ื•ืช ืฉืขื‘ื“ื• ืžื•ืฉืœื. ืื™ืŸ ืžื” ืœื•ืžืจ, ื–ื• ื›ืœื” ื‘ืœืชื™ ื ืฉื›ื—ืช

ืœื ืžืขื˜ ืžืจืื•ืช ืื™ืงื•ื ื™ื™ื ืจืฉื•ืžื™ื ืขืœ ืฉืžื” ืฉืœ ื’'ื ื™ืคืจ ืœื•ืคื– ื‘ืช ื”-54, ื•ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ื‘ืžืกื’ืจืช ื”ืจื–ื•ืžื” ื”ืขืฉื™ืจ ืฉืœื”, ื”ื™ื ื”ืคื›ื” ืžื–ื•ื”ื” ืืคื™ืœื• ืขื ืฉืžืœื•ืช ื›ืœื”. ืœื›ืŸ ืœื ืžืคืชื™ืข ืฉืื—ืช ื›ื–ืืช ืžื›ื›ื‘ืช ื‘ื˜ื™ื–ืจ ืœืืœื‘ื•ื ื”ื—ื“ืฉ ืฉืœื”, ืื‘ืœ ืžืื•ื“ ืžืคืชื™ืข ืœืจืื•ืช ืื™ื–ื• ื’ืจืกื” ืžื˜ื•ืจืคืช ื”ื™ื ื‘ื—ืจื” ื”ืคืขื

ืฉืชื™ ื”ืกื•ืคืจืžื•ื“ืœืก, ืฉื”ืŸ ื’ื ื—ื‘ืจื•ืช ื˜ื•ื‘ื•ืช, ื”ื’ื™ืขื• ืœืฆืคื•ืช ื‘ืžืฉื—ืง ื›ื“ื•ืจืกืœ ื•ืœื ื”ืกืชืคืงื• ื‘ื’'ื™ื ืก ื•ื˜ื™-ืฉื™ืจื˜ ื”ืžืชื‘ืงืฉื™ื. ืื™ืจื™ื ื” ืœื‘ืฉื” ืฉืžืœืช ื›ื•ืชื•ื ืช ืงื˜ื ื” ื‘ืขื•ื“ ืืžื™ืœื™ ื‘ื—ืจื” ื‘ื—ื–ื™ื™ื” ื•ืงืจื“ื™ื’ืŸ ืงื–'ื•ืืœื™ื™ื ื™ื—ืกื™ืช, ื•ืฉืชื™ื”ืŸ ืฆืขื“ื• ื‘ืžื’ืคื™ื™ื ืฉื—ื•ืจื™ื ื’ื‘ื•ื”ื™ื. ื˜ื•ื‘ื•ืช ื”ืฉืชื™ื™ื, ืœื’ืžืจื™

ื”ืคืจื–ื ื˜ื•ืจื™ืช ื”ื˜ื•ื‘ื” ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ ืœ'ื™ื•ืงืจื” ืฉืงื˜ื”', ืžื™ื™ื’ืŸ ืžืจืงืœ, ื‘ื—ืจื” ื‘ืืื•ื˜ืคื™ื˜ ืžืฉื’ืข ืœื‘ื™ืงื•ืจ ื”ืชื ื“ื‘ื•ืชื™ ื‘ืงื ื“ื”. ืžืจืงืœ ื‘ื—ืจื” ื‘ืžื›ื ืกื™ ืžืฉื™ ืœื‘ื ื™ื ืฉืœ ืจืืœืฃ ืœื•ืจืŸ ื•ืกืจื™ื’ ืœื‘ืŸ ืžืขืœ ืฉื”ื›ื ื™ืกื” ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ื‘ืœื™ื˜ ืืช ืงื• ื”ืžื•ืชืŸ. ื•ื‘ื›ืŸ, ื–ื” ืขื‘ื“ ืœื” ื•ืžื“ื•ื‘ืจ ื‘ืœื•ืง ืžื•ืฉืœื ืœื—ื•ืจืฃ

ืขื“ ืœื ืžื–ืžืŸ ื”ื ื ืจืื• ืœื ื• ืžื™ื•ืฉื ื™ื ื•ืœื ืจืœื•ื•ื ื˜ื™ื™ื, ื•ืคืชืื•ื ื”ื ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉื‘ื ืœื ื• ืœืฆืืช ืื™ืชื• ืžื”ื‘ื™ืช. ื›ื›ื” ืขื•ื‘ื“ืช ืื•ืคื ื”, ื•ื–ื” ื›ืœ ื”ื›ื™ืฃ. ืื– ื™ืฆืื ื• ืœื—ืคืฉ ืืช ื”ืžื’ืคื•ื ื™ื ืฉืžืคื’ื™ืฉื™ื ืฆืžืจื™ืจื™ื•ืช ื—ืžื™ืžื” ืขื ืชื—ื›ื•ื ืกืงืกื™, ื•ื—ื–ืจื ื• ืขื ื›ืžื” ื•ื›ืžื” ืจืขื™ื•ื ื•ืช

ืงืจื™ืกื˜ืŸ ืžืงืžื ืืžื™, ื”ื™ื•ื ื‘ืช 58, ื”ืชืคืจืกืžื” ื‘ื–ื›ื•ืช ื”ืžืจืื” ื”"ืžื•ื–ืจ" ืฉืœื” ื•ืžืžืฉื™ื›ื” ืœื“ื’ืžืŸ ืื•ืชื• ื’ื ื”ื™ื•ื. ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืžืชื‘ืจืจ, ืžื‘ืขื“ ืœื“ืคื™ ื”ื’ื™ืœื™ื•ืŸ ื”ืื—ืจื•ืŸ ืฉืœ ื•ื•ื’, ืฉื’ื ื‘ื ื” ื”ืžืชื‘ื’ืจ ื›ื‘ืจ ืฉื•ืจืฃ ื”ืคืงื•ืช ื•ืžืกืœื•ืœื™ื. ื•ืขื ื›ืœ ื”ื›ื‘ื•ื“ ืœื ืคื•ื˜ื™ื–ื, ืœื ืงืฉื” ืœื”ื‘ื™ืŸ ืœืžื”

ื™ืฉ ืœื” ื™ื›ื•ืœืช ืžื“ื”ื™ืžื” ืœื”ื—ื–ื™ืง ืžื—ืฉื•ืคื™ื, ื•ื”ื™ื ืžืžืฉ ืœื ืžืคื—ื“ืช ืœื”ืชื ืกื•ืช ื‘ื—ืฉื™ืคื” ืžื•ื“ืขืช ืฉืœ ืื–ื•ืจื™ื ืฉื•ื ื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ืชืžื™ื“ ืขื•ืฉื” ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ืขื“ื™ื ื•ืช ื•ื‘ืžื™ื ื•ืŸ ื ื›ื•ืŸ. ื”ืคืขื ืžื“ื•ื‘ืจ ื‘'ืœื™ื˜ืœ ื‘ืœืืง ื“ืจืก' ืขื ืžื—ืฉื•ืฃ ื›ืชืคื™ื™ื ืžื“ื•ื™ืง ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ