ืจืืฉื™ ื”ืชืขืฉื™ื™ื”

ื”ื“ื•ื’ืžื ื™ืช ื”ืขืกื•ืงื” ืชื•ืžื›ืช ื‘ืขืกืงื™ื ืžืงื•ืžื™ื™ื, ืžื’ื•ื™ืกืช ืœื”ืกื‘ืจื” ื•ืขื•ืฉื” ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉื”ื™ื ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืจื™ื ืืช ื”ืžื•ืจืœ ื”ืœืื•ืžื™ ื‘ืชืงื•ืคื” ื”ืงืฉื”. ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ื—ืœืงื ื• ื”ืฉืจืื” ืื•ืคื ืชื™ืช ื”ื™ื ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืžื” ืฉื”ืจื•ืคื ืจืฉื, ื•ื’ื ืืช ื–ื” ืืคืฉืจ ืœืžืฆื•ื ืืฆืœื” ื‘ืคื™ื“ ื”ืื™ื ืกื˜ื’ืจื

ื”ืžืœื›ื” ื™ื“ื•ืขื” ื‘ื—ื•ืฉ ื”ืื•ืคื ืชื™ ืฉืœื”, ืื‘ืœ ื‘ื‘ื’ื“ ื›ื–ื” ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ืœื ืจืื™ื ื• ืื•ืชื”. ื”ื™ื ื”ื’ื™ืขื” ืœืชืขืจื•ื›ื” ื”ื—ื•ื’ื’ืช ืืช ืคื•ืขืœื” ืฉืœ ืžืขืฆื‘ืช ื”ืขืœ ืื™ืจื™ืก ื•ืืŸ ื”ืจืคืŸ ื‘ืฉืžืœื” ืฉื ืจืื™ืช ื›ืื™ืœื• ื ืœืงื—ื” ืžืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืคื ื˜ื–ื™ื”, ื›ื•ืœืœ ืžื—ืฉื•ืฃ ืžืจืฉื™ื ื•ื’ื–ืจื” ื“ืžื•ื™ืช ืฉื›ืžื™ื™ื”

ื‘ื™ืŸ ืขืฉื™ื™ื” ืœืขืฉื™ื™ื”, ื”ืฉื—ืงื ื™ืช ื”ื™ืฉืจืืœื™ืช ื ืชื ื” ื’ื ื”ืฆืฆื” ืœืœื•ืง ื”ื™ื•ืžื™ ืฉืœื” โ€“ ื•ืกื™ืคืงื” ืœื ื• ืจื’ืข ืฉืœ ื”ืคื•ื’ื” ื•ื”ืฉืจืื”. ื”ืชืื”ื‘ื ื• ื‘ืžืจืื” ื”ื“ื ื™ื-ืขืœ-ื“ื ื™ื ื”ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืื‘ืœ ืžื“ื•ื™ืง ืฉืœื”, ืฉื ืฉื‘ืจ ื‘ืืžืฆืขื•ืช ื”ืืงืกืกื•ืจื™ื– ื”ื ื›ื•ื ื™ื

ื”ืคืื–ื” ื”ืื“ื’'ื™ืช ืฉืœ ืงื™ื™ืœื™ ื’'ื ืจ ืœื’ืžืจื™ ื›ืืŸ, ื•ื”ื™ื ืžื’ื™ืขื” ืœืฉื™ืื” ื‘ื”ืคืงืช ื”ืื•ืคื ื” ื”ืžื˜ื•ืจืœืœืช ืงืœื•ืช ืฉืฆื™ืœืžื” ืœืžื’ื–ื™ืŸ Interview: ื—ืจื’ื•ืœ ืขื ืง ืžืคืœืกื˜ื™ืง ื•ื ื—ืฉ ื—ืœืงืœืง ืœื ืžืคืœืกื˜ื™ืง ื”ื ืจืง ื—ืœืง ืžื”ืื‘ื™ื–ืจื™ื ืฉืžืœื•ื•ื™ื ืื•ืชื” ืฉื, ืœืฆื“ ืœื•ืงื™ื ืฉืžืขืžื™ืกื™ื ื•ืžืขืจื‘ื‘ื™ื ืืช ื”ื˜ืจื ื“ื™ื ื”ื ื•ืขื–ื™ื ืฉืœ ื”ืจื’ืข

ื”ื›ื•ื›ื‘ืช ื”ื’ื™ืขื” ืœืคืจื™ื– ื•ืฉืœืคื” ื‘ื–ื” ืื—ืจ ื–ื” ืฉื ื™ ืœื•ืงื™ื ื“ืจืžื˜ื™ื™ื ื‘ืฉื—ื•ืจ: ื”ืจืืฉื•ืŸ ื›ืœืœ ืฉืžืœืช ื‘ืœื™ื™ื–ืจ ื•ืกื ื“ืœื™ื, ื”ืฉื ื™ ืžืขื™ืœ ืคืจื•ื•ื” ื’ื“ื•ืœ ื•ื—ื โ€“ ื•ื‘ืฉื ื™ื”ื ื”ืคืฆื™ืขื• ืœื”ื•ืคืขืช ืื•ืจื— ื’ื•ื•ื ื™ื ื‘ื”ื™ืจื™ื ื•ืœื ืื•ืคื™ื™ื ื™ื™ื ื‘ืฉื™ืขืจ

ืงืจื™ืกื˜ืŸ ืžืงืžื ืืžื™, ื”ื™ื•ื ื‘ืช 58, ื”ืชืคืจืกืžื” ื‘ื–ื›ื•ืช ื”ืžืจืื” ื”"ืžื•ื–ืจ" ืฉืœื” ื•ืžืžืฉื™ื›ื” ืœื“ื’ืžืŸ ืื•ืชื• ื’ื ื”ื™ื•ื. ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืžืชื‘ืจืจ, ืžื‘ืขื“ ืœื“ืคื™ ื”ื’ื™ืœื™ื•ืŸ ื”ืื—ืจื•ืŸ ืฉืœ ื•ื•ื’, ืฉื’ื ื‘ื ื” ื”ืžืชื‘ื’ืจ ื›ื‘ืจ ืฉื•ืจืฃ ื”ืคืงื•ืช ื•ืžืกืœื•ืœื™ื. ื•ืขื ื›ืœ ื”ื›ื‘ื•ื“ ืœื ืคื•ื˜ื™ื–ื, ืœื ืงืฉื” ืœื”ื‘ื™ืŸ ืœืžื”

ื”ื™ื ื”ืฆื™ื’ื” ื”ืฉื‘ื•ืข ืฉื ื™ ืœื•ืงื™ื ืžืขื•ืœื™ื, ืฉืžืชื›ืชื‘ื™ื ืขื ื”ื˜ืจื ื“ื™ื ื”ื—ืžื™ื ืื‘ืœ ื’ื ืœื•ืงื—ื™ื ืื•ืชื ืœืžืงื•ื ืื™ืฉื™. ื”ืจืืฉื•ืŸ ื›ืœืœ ืžืขื™ืœ ื‘ืฆื‘ืข ื”ื›ื™ ื ื›ื•ืŸ ื•ื—ืฆืื™ืช ืžื™ืงืจื•-ืžื™ื ื™, ื•ื‘ืฉื ื™ ื”ื™ื ื•ื™ืชืจื” ืขืœ ื›ื™ืกื•ื™ ื”ืฉื™ืฉื™ื™ื” ืฉืœื”. ื›ื›ื” ื–ื” ื›ืฉื™ืฉ ืžืื—ื•ืจื™ืš ืกื˜ื™ื™ืœื™ืกื˜ื™ืช ืฉื™ื•ื“ืขืช ืืช ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”

ืžืขื™ืœ ื˜ืจื ืฅ' ืงืฆืจ ื•ืžื•ืฆืœื— ื”ื•ื‘ื™ืœ ืื•ืชื ื• ืœื”ื™ื™ืœื™ื™ื˜ ืฉืœ ื”ื›ื•ื›ื‘ืช ื”ื˜ืจื™ื™ื” ื•ื”ืžืกืงืจื ืช, ืฉื ืžืฆืื ื• ืจื’ืข ื—ืžื•ื“ ื‘ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ ืฉืœ ื›ื ื•ืช ืžืขื•ืจืจืช ื”ื–ื“ื”ื•ืช, ื›ืฉื‘ื•ืจื’ื™ืœ ืฉื™ืชืคื” ืืช ื”ืขื•ืงื‘ื•ืช ืฉืœื” ื‘"ืื™ืฉื™ื• ืฉืœื™ ืขื ื’'ื™ื ืกื™ื" ืชื•ืš ื›ื“ื™ ืฉื”ื™ื ืžื•ื“ื“ืช, ืžืกื‘ื™ืจื” ื•ื’ื ื—ื•ืฉืคืช ืคื™ืจืกื™ื ื’ ืžื ืฆื ืฅ

ืžื’ ื‘ืœืืžื™ ื‘ืช ื”-20 ื–ื›ืชื” ื‘ืชืคืงื™ื“ ื”ื ื—ืฉืง ื‘ืกื“ืจืช ื”ืœื”ื™ื˜ ืฉืœ ื ื˜ืคืœื™ืงืก, ื•ืžืื– ื”ื™ื ืžืชืืจื—ืช ื‘ื”ืคืงื•ืช ืื•ืคื ื” ื•ืžื’ื™ืขื” ืœืื™ืจื•ืขื™ื ื ื•ืฆืฆื™ื. ื‘ื”ืชืื, ื”ืžืœืชื—ื” ืฉืœื” ืžืœืื” ื‘ืžื•ืชื’ื™ื ื™ื•ืงืจืชื™ื™ื ื›ืžื• ื•ืœื ื˜ื™ื ื•, ื“ื™ื•ืจ ื•ืงืจื˜ื™ื™ื”, ื•ื”ื™ื ื ืขื–ืจืช ื‘ืžื™ื˜ื‘ ื”ืกื˜ื™ื™ืœื™ืกื˜ื™ื. ื–ื” ื’ื ืขื•ื–ืจ ืฉื”ื™ื ื™ืคื”ืคื™ื™ื” ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ื‘ืœืชื™ ืจื’ื™ืœื”

ืื ืืชื ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ืœื ืขื•ืงื‘ื™ื ืื—ืจื™ ืžืขื™ืŸ ืžื™ืœืก - ืžืขื•ืœื ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื–ืžืŸ ื ื›ื•ืŸ ื™ื•ืชืจ ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืืช ื–ื”. ืžืฉืคื™ืขื ื™ืช ื”ืื•ืคื ื” ื”ืžืขื•ืœื” ืžืฆืœื™ื—ื”, ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื•, ืœืฉืœื‘ ื‘ื™ืŸ ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช ืœื•ืงื™ื ืœื‘ื™ืŸ ืชื•ื›ืŸ ืื™ื ื˜ืœื™ื’ื ื˜ื™ ืฉืขื•ืกืง ื‘ืชืงื•ืคื” ื”ืžื˜ื•ืจืคืช ืฉื›ื•ืœื ื• ื—ื•ื•ื™ื, ื•ืœื™ืฆื•ืจ ืžื›ืœ ื–ื” ื”ืฉืจืื” ื•ืชืงื•ื•ื”. ืชืคืกื ื• ืื•ืชื” ืœืฉื™ื—ื” ื“ื—ื•ืคื” ืขืœ ื”ืกื‘ืจื”, ื™ืฆื™ืจื” ื•ื‘ืขื™ืงืจ ืื•ืคื ื”

ืื•ืกื˜ื‘ืœ ื”ื•ืงื ืœืคื ื™ ื›ืฉืžื•ื ื” ืฉื ื™ื, ื•ื”ื’ื™ืข ืœื›ื•ืชืจื•ืช ื›ืฉื‘ืชื ืฉืœ ืงื™ื ืงืจื“ืฉื™ืืŸ ื•ืงื ื™ื” ื•ื•ืกื˜ ืœื‘ืฉื” ื‘ื’ื“ื™ื ืฉืœ ื”ืœื™ื™ื‘ืœ ืžื ืชื™ื‘ื•ืช. ืžืื– ื”ื•ื ื”ืชืจื—ื‘ ืขื ืงื•ืœืงืฆื™ื•ืช ืคืจื™ืžื™ื•ื ืื™ื›ื•ืชื™ื•ืช ืœื ืฉื™ื, ื•ืคื•ืขืœ ื’ื ื‘ื™ืžื™ื ืืœื” ืœืžืจื•ืช ื”ืงืฉื™ื™ื. "ื—ืœืง ืžื”ืขื•ื‘ื“ื•ืช ืžืคื•ื ื•ืช ื•ืื™ืŸ ืœื ื• ืžืจื—ื‘ ืžื•ื’ืŸ ื‘ืžื—ืกืŸ, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื—ื ื• ื—ื™ื™ื‘ื•ืช ืœืฉืžื•ืจ ืขืœ ื”ืขืกืง", ืžืกื‘ื™ืจื•ืช ืฉืจื™ืŸ ื•ืฆืœื™ืœ, ืฉืขื•ืžื“ื•ืช ืžืื—ื•ืจื™ ื”ืžื•ืชื’

ืื ื™ืฉ ืžืฉื”ื• ืฉืงื™ื ืื•ื”ื‘ืช ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืชื—ืคื•ืฉื•ืช, ื–ื” ืœืจืคืจืจ ืœืจื’ืขื™ ืžืคืชื— ื‘ืชืจื‘ื•ืช ื”ืคื•ืคื•ืœืจื™ืช. ื”ื›ื•ื›ื‘ืช ืกื—ื˜ื” ืืช ืฉืืจื™ื•ืช ืœื™ืœ ื›ืœ ื”ืงื“ื•ืฉื™ื ื•ื”ืขืœืชื” ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ ื‘ื• ื”ื™ื ืœื‘ื•ืฉื” ื›ืžื• ื“ืžื•ืชื” ืฉืœ ืกืœืžื” ื”ื™ื™ืง ื‘ืกืจื˜ "ืžืฆืืช ื”ื—ืžื” ืขื“ ืฆืืช ื”ื ืฉืžื”", ื›ื•ืœืœ ืจื™ืงื•ื“ ื”ื—ืฉืคื ื™ืช ืขื ื”ื ื—ืฉ ื”ืขื ืง. ื›ื›ื” ื ืจืื™ืช ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ื•ืช

ื‘ื™ืžื™ื ื›ืืœื” ื›ื™ืฃ ืœืจืื•ืช ืฉื™ืฉ ืžื™ ืฉืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ื ื•ืชืŸ ืžืงื•ื ืœื™ื™ืฆื•ื’ ื™ืฉืจืืœื™ โ€“ ืขืœ ืื—ืช ื›ืžื” ื•ื›ืžื” ื›ืฉืžื“ื•ื‘ืจ ื‘ืžืงื•ื ืฉืœ ื›ื‘ื•ื“. ืžื’ื–ื™ืŸ ื”ืื•ืคื ื” "ื”ืืจืคืจ'ืก ื‘ืื–ืืจ" ืื™ื˜ืœื™ื” ื—ืฉืฃ ืืชืžื•ืœ ืืช ื ืขืจืช ื”ืฉืขืจ ื”ื—ื“ืฉื” ืฉืœื• โ€“ ืกืืŸ ืžื–ืจื—ื™, ื•ื”ื™ื ื ืจืื™ืช ืžื“ื”ื™ื

"ื–ืžืŸ ื˜ื•ื‘ ืœื—ื–ื•ืจ ืœื’'ื™ื ืก", ื”ื›ืจื™ื–ื” ืžืฉืคื™ืขื ื™ืช ื”ืื•ืคื ื” ื”ืื”ื•ื‘ื” ืžืขื™ืŸ ืžื™ืœืก, ื•ื™ื“ืขื” ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืื™ื–ื” ืื—ื“ ืœื‘ื—ื•ืจ: ื”ื’'ื™ื ืกื™ื ืฉืœ ื ื™ืœื™ ืœื•ื˜ืŸ ืœื ืจืง ืื™ื›ื•ืชื™ื™ื ื•ืžื—ืžื™ืื™ื ื‘ื˜ื™ืจื•ืฃ - ื”ื ืžื’ื™ืขื™ื ืžืžืขืฆื‘ืช ื™ืฉืจืืœื™ืช ืžืฆืœื™ื—ื” ืฉื”ืงื™ืžื” ืงืจืŸ ืชืจื•ืžื•ืช ืœืฉื™ืงื•ื ื”ืขื•ื˜ืฃ

ื›ื‘ืจ ืชืงื•ืคื” ืฉืžืขืœืœื™ื” ื”ื ื•ืฆืฆื™ื ืžืืคืฉืจื™ื ืœื ื• ืœื”ืชืขืกืง ืœืจื’ืข ื‘ืžืฉื”ื• ืื—ืจ, ืจื—ื•ืง ื•ื™ืคื” - ื•ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ื’'ื™ื™ ืœื• ืžื‘ื™ืื” ืืช ื–ื” ืœืฉื™ื ืขื ืงืžืคื™ื™ืŸ ื”ื”ืœื‘ืฉื” ื”ืชื—ืชื•ื ื” ื”ื—ื“ืฉ ืฉืœื”, ื•ื”ืœื•ืง ื”ื”ื™ืกื˜ืจื™ ืฉืœื‘ืฉื” ืœืื™ืจื•ืข ื”ื”ืฉืงื” ืฉืœื•